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WPA and WGA work together on Windows XP machines they're installed on. WGA is also capable of running solo on Windows 2000 computers.

Enter Windows Vista.
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Re: Confirmation of stealth Windows Update...
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WGA is also capable of running solo on Windows 2000 computers.

Yes, but it has to be installed.  It doesn't come prepackaged with the OS.  So for WGA to exist on a W2K PC, you have to allow it to be installed.  On Vista, you have no choice...

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W2K was the last OS that didn't phone home

Are you sure? Perhaps they are being stealthy.

Yes, I am sure.  It was well publicised when M$ first decided to include the phone home feature and activation in XP.  Before XP, M$ did not include that technology in the OS.  The only way that the technology could be found in W2K is if it is installed later.  It is not beyond reason to believe that M$ could convince people to do this through Windows Updates though since most people have no clue what is being added, updated, or changed when they receive a Windows Update.  And there is no requirement that M$ inform you of what they are doing to the OS since they retain ownership of it once you agree to the EULA.  When buying a new PC with the OS pre-installed, you are agreeing to the EULA by default.  You never get the chance to read and agree to it...

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The problem is lack of choice. I followed one news lead in there and said illinois decided to go with windows servers instead of linux because they needed something they could count on. I don't think vista is fixable, so its wait for the next windows os because there isn't anything else thats affordable or comparable. I think xp will be around longer than ms thinks. They should stick with what works and quit tryin to revelutionize things when they already have something that works.

I think people pay for operating systems, and yet ms makes them buy new instead of upgrading. Thats a rip off. Ms needs to be managed by courts because they lost touch with reality thinking everyone is stealing from them when they already paid too much. Like me, I bought a w98, a windows xp, and windows vista, I have my sons xp and yet I am only using two and I would only be using one if vista was a broken product. So wheres my re-embursement or credit for upgrading since some of those PCs are no longer used? We shouldn't have to resort to using substandard to get around ms's problems with imagined os theft. They are insane.
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Re: Confirmation of stealth Windows Update...
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I followed one news lead in there and said illinois decided to go with windows servers instead of linux because they needed something they could count on.

That doesn't make any sense.  Linux has a long proven track record of being far more reliable and secure than Windows servers...

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I found a link but the it's in .doc format and must be a humdinger because Word Perfect won't even load it.  But they do offer an HTML format

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I think this was when they went from Macintosh to Windows.  At one time most if not all schools had only Apple computers.


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Linux in Government

Linux is now more than a decade old. Throughout its history there have been many government entities that have decided that Linux was the ideal operating system to handle their mission-critical computing needs. This list gets larger every day. Here are a list of some of the more notable migrations to the Linux platform in the public sector.



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So, are you using linux?

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NR, a lot of people have a deep hatred of ms, and I'm one of them and probably hate them more than you. The subject can't even be discussed rationally because peoples hatred could be aimed at anyone not agreeing on how bad they are, or how bad other os are compared with. Non the less, I will keep an open mind about things. First off, ms sucks but xp is a great os, bar none. Now talking about linux, that all sounds fine but I wouldn't try to convince others to use it or BUY it without using it myself. So I go by what I hear and read, and I am not hearing about it being better than xp, quite the opposite. They have a long way to go and may never equal ms or xp.

So some businesses use linux, but what percentage of home users are using it compared to xp? There is no comparison. What about mac? There is no comparison, mac is too expensive and there is nothing better than xp, to date, not for the money. Even mac offers xp on their systems.

Everyone has high hopes for linux and a lot of good talk goes around, but its still not exceptable to most users. I did check it out, I'm not just talking, linux is out of the question for me because I have used xp too long and can't use something worse. Thats why I want xp on my new pc.

Anyway, its easy to dig up data, but don't aim your ms hatred at me, it blinds your thinking. It is childish. I hate ms worse than you - no you don't, i hate them worse than you, no you don't I hate.....



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News: Symantec in it's latest Security Report rates Windows more secure then Red-Hat Linux, Sun Solaris, Mac OSX.
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Re: Confirmation of stealth Windows Update...
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don't aim your ms hatred at me, it blinds your thinking. It is childish. I hate ms worse than you - no you don't, i hate them worse than you, no you don't I hate.....

I really wasn't aware that I was directing my dislike of M$ toward anyone.  As a former UNIX administrator, I think I do have an inside understanding of the differences of the OSes though.  Linux is simply an open source version of UNIX and nearly as reliable and stable.  In 4½ years of working with hundreds of UNIX systems, not once did I have to reboot one due to a OS failure.  Linux works the same.  When an application crashes, the shell that it runs in closes, not the whole OS.  And when a shell closes, you regain your resources, so there is no need to reboot when resources are running low.  Just close some processes down and you are good to go...

Linux has come a very long way in a very short time.  UNIX did not have a GUI environment and the early versions of Linux didn't either.  But that has all changed.  Now, if you install Linux, you can't easily tell that you aren't looking at a Windows desktop.  And since Linux is Open Source and thousands of developers are working on it worldwide, updates and improvements come much faster than in Windows.  And since Linux is free, you can update as many times as you want without ever have to keep paying for the latest update of the OS, like you do with Windows...

More and more people are switching to Linux.  The problem is that many people fear change.  They are afraid to learn and are content as long as nothing looks any different.  They will be the last to switch.  That is a lot of people though.  As more and more systems are loaded with Linux at schools and universities and as more and more businesses adopt Linux, people will begin to get comfortable with it and choose it over Windows.  Once you make the switch, you probably would never go back to Windows, not even XP.  You would never have to pay for another OS update ever again and you can update as often as you wish.  M$ can't even begin to compete against Linux and eventually, the world will have shifted completely away from them rendering them in the same category as Mac...

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