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the Truth about browsers...
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That is what I typed in google and it was on top so I didn't have to search for long, its about security issues and legth of time to fix holes:
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Why no statistics for other browsers? How about... surprise... Opera?
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Posted by: Jere on January 4, 2007 2:47 PM
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Jere, the other browsers don't have enough users to warrant tracking
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I know M$ doesn't want people to know that there are better options available out there, but the word is getting out...
- Browser Upgrade: Singing Opera's Praises
Bigger is not always better. Take Web browsers, for example. Internet Explorer commands roughly 85 percent of browser usage. Firefox hovers somewhere around 12 percent. At less than 1 percent is Opera. Oddly enough, this least-used of the browsers is among the best of the lot -- at least as good as Firefox and far better than IE.
First released in 1997 by the Norwegian company Opera Software, Opera has always sought to be faster, leaner, more stable and more flexible than any of its competitors. With the December release of version 9.1, it adds an improved layer of security and clever new features that further enhance its functionality, all in a free download that is only 4.9 MB in size.
The big news in version 9.1 is Opera's greater protection against phishing -- fraudulent Web sites that try to steal your personal information. The latest versions of IE and Firefox also offer anti-phishing protection, but Opera is the only browser that teams up with both digital-certificate provider GeoTrust and phishing information clearinghouse PhishTank, a collaborative service that constantly collects data on suspicious URLs.
When Opera's anti-phishing protection is activated, the browser monitors every visited site against the GeoTrust and PhishTank data and warns you when you visit a suspicious site. Even if you have not enabled the protection, a question-mark icon in your navigation window tells you whether the site is verified and, if not, lets you check it with a single mouse click.
BETTER BELLS AND WHISTLES
Beyond security, Opera offers the bells and whistles now standard in the latest versions of IE and Firefox -- tabbed browsing, pop-up blocking, integrated search, blocking of cookies and a password manager. But it adds further refinements to many of these features that make them even more useful.
A good example is tabbed browsing. First, Opera places the tabs above the address bar, where they belong. Second, it offers thumbnail previews of tabs. Say you have 10 open tabs and cannot remember which is which. Hover your mouse over any tab and Opera shows you a quick thumbnail of the page open in that tab.
Finally, Opera does tabs one better, offering a true multiple-document interface. This means that you can resize pages and tile them next to each other on the same active workspace, allowing you to compare or work with several open pages -- perhaps a Web page open next to a pane in which you are composing an e-mail.
Opera is a particularly good choice for anyone with a visual impairment. Most notably, it incorporates voice and speech. A user can control Opera using voice commands and can have Opera read open documents aloud. Another visual aid is Opera's ability to zoom in or out on a page from 20 percent to 1,000 percent. Also, Opera offers a selection of views that convert Web pages to text or display them in high contrast to make them easier to read.
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- the real story on browser vulnerabilities
Security expert at the Washington Post, Brian Krebs, explains:
For a total 284 days in 2006 (or more than nine months out of the year), exploit code for known, unpatched critical flaws in pre-IE7 versions of the browser was publicly available on the Internet. Likewise, there were at least 98 days last year in which no software fixes from Microsoft were available to fix IE flaws that criminals were actively using to steal personal and financial data from users. He even provides a nice chart demonstrating how, through out the year, IE users were under nearly constant attack on the web.
Brian goes on to describe Firefox:
In contrast, Internet Explorer's closest competitor in terms of market share -- Mozilla's Firefox browser -- experienced a single period lasting just nine days last year in which exploit code for a serious security hole was posted online before Mozilla shipped a patch to remedy the problem. Security is a process that includes among other things careful design, intense code review, heavy testing, and quick response when flaws are discovered. While all software as complex as web browsers will have flaws, including security and privacy vulnerabilities, it is clear that some organizations have processes in place that are better equipped to manage and mitigate the risk. This article leaves little doubt that the process we have at Mozilla has been orders of magnitude more effective at protecting users from online threats than what Microsoft customers have been offered.
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- Slow but steady market share increases for Firefox, Opera and Safari
In the past year, Opera has leapfrogged Netscape as the fourth-most-popular browser. In March 2006, Opera owned 0.54 percent of the browser market, a figure now at 0.79 percent. Meanwhile, Netscape has dipped from 1.05 percent to 0.74 percent.
Vincent Vizzaccaro, executive vice president or marketing and strategic relationships, told SCMagazine.com today that the trend of alternative browsers gaining market share should continue barring a groundbreaking product from Microsoft.
"I think that people are accustomed to thinking of Opera and Firefox as being the innovators," he said. "I think the trend continues unless there is a brand new feature that Microsoft has in the works that no one knows about."
John Pescatore, Gartner analyst, told SCMagazine.com today that growth in alternative browsers is due to an increase in Linux desktops, as well as security concerns.
"I think there’ve been two factors – one is the growth in Linux applications and desktops," he said. "On Windows machines, the growth has been due mostly to spyware."
Firefox, Safari and Opera have partially built their popularity on security.
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- What percentage of known security bugs in browsers are actually fixed?
Well, if you’re using the Opera browser, then 100 percent of the reported security bugs/vulnerabilities were fixed. In fact, Opera is the only browser (among the big ones – Internet Explorer (IE), Firefox, and Safari) to have patched 100% of its known security bugs, according to Secunia, a site that tracks security vulnerabilities in various applications.
Ben Buchanan, on his blog, wrote about this a couple days ago. He compared the patch rate on security bugs in the four major browsers (IE, Opera, Firefox, and Safari).
Browser patches between Feb 2003 and Jan 2007:
- IE6 – 67% patched (out of 110 reported bugs).
- IE7 – 25% patched (out of 4 reported bugs).
- Firefox 1 – 87% patched (out of 39 reported bugs).
- Firefox 2 – 50% patched (out of 4 reported bugs).
- Opera 8 – 100% patched (out of 15 reported bugs).
- Opera 9 – 100% patched (out of 3 reported bugs).
- Safari 1 – 93% patched (out of 15 reported bugs).
- Safari 2 – 33% patched (out of 6 reported bugs).
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http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/56439.html
PRODUCT REVIEW
Opera Browser Hits a Sour Note
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By Jeff Gamet
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03/23/07 4:00 AM PT
Despite a few nice tricks here and there, the Opera Web browser is an overall exercise in pain. Pages are often rendered incorrectly, or not at all. Its built-in help wasn't all that helpful, either. It took me a while to figure out how to get to my bookmarks, and I knew I was in trouble when Mac-specific instructions reference the ALT key.
After leaving Safari behind to spend a week with Firefox, and then another in OmniWeb, I was surprised to find that my Web browsing experience was going pretty well. I even compared OmniWeb to visiting a town where there are happy surprises around every corner. However, my trip to "Opera-ville" ... I'm pretty sure the guy that punched me in the stomach as I rounded the first corner also stole my milk money.
Where I found Firefox to be a capable Web browser, and OmniWeb good enough to make me comfortable abandoning Safari, Opera was an exercise in pain. In fact, I was forced to break self-imposed rule number 3, No launching Safari "just to check this one page." Living in a single browser is non-negotiable, more than once because I could not get Web pages that are critical to my TMO editor duties to render in Opera.
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http://www.technewsworld.com/rsstory/56439.html
PRODUCT REVIEW (tech news world)
Opera Browser Hits a Sour Note
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By Jeff Gamet
The Mac Observer
03/23/07 4:00 AM PT
Despite a few nice tricks here and there, the Opera Web browser is an overall exercise in pain. Pages are often rendered incorrectly, or not at all. Its built-in help wasn't all that helpful, either. It took me a while to figure out how to get to my bookmarks, and I knew I was in trouble when Mac-specific instructions reference the ALT key.
After leaving Safari behind to spend a week with Firefox, and then another in OmniWeb, I was surprised to find that my Web browsing experience was going pretty well. I even compared OmniWeb to visiting a town where there are happy surprises around every corner. However, my trip to "Opera-ville" ... I'm pretty sure the guy that punched me in the stomach as I rounded the first corner also stole my milk money.
Where I found Firefox to be a capable Web browser, and OmniWeb good enough to make me comfortable abandoning Safari, Opera was an exercise in pain. In fact, I was forced to break self-imposed rule number 3, No launching Safari "just to check this one page." Living in a single browser is non-negotiable, more than once because I could not get Web pages that are critical to my TMO editor duties to render in Opera.
A Week at the Opera
Opera Software's Opera Web browser, like Safari and Firefox, is free. In addition to versions for Mac OS X and Microsoft (Nasdaq: MSFT) Windows, there are also versions for Web-capable cell phones and other devices like Nintendo's Wii game station.
Impressions: Opera sports the same tabbed browsing style that Safari and Firefox use. Like Firefox, you can rearrange tabs, but it's next to impossible to tell that you have actually grabbed a tab, or to see exactly where you are placing a tab once you start dragging it. Like Firefox, tabs show the associated site's favicon.
The more tabs you have, the smaller they get. Once the tabs are so small that you can only see the favicon, you get a fly-out menu just like Safari's. You can't, however, rearrange the sites that appear in the fly-out menu.
One nice feature with Opera's tab implementation is that as you roll over a tab, it displays a thumbnail representation of the site. That is really nice, especially since there isn't any other way to see what site a tab is associated with unless you click it and display the Web page.
A Nifty Trick
However, the interface as a whole felt really clunky. Not just "I use a Mac, so I expect application interfaces to behave a certain way" kind of clunky, but the "Have the people that designed Opera actually used it?" kind. It was as if for everything I tried to do with the browser, there was something put in the way to make it more difficult.
OK, one place Opera's developers did something really cool with the interface was with single and double-arrow back buttons. The single-arrow back button takes you back one step in your Web browsing history. The double-arrow back button takes you back to where you entered the site. Click it again, and it jumps you back to the site you visited before that.
For example, let's say that you visited TMO, clicked through to read an article, moved on to Apple's (Nasdaq: AAPL) home page and then clicked a link to learn more about the iPhone. Click the double-arrow once, and you jump back to Apple's home page. Click the double-arrow again, and you jump back to TMO's home page. Nice.
Regrettable Rendering
Web page rendering times were surprisingly slow, and often text and graphics would overlap each other. Several times during the week I encountered sites that simply refused to render, or would fail to display anything if I clicked the reload button. Even worse, it wasn't consistent. Sometimes a page would load, other times it wouldn't. Just to make sure there wasn't a Web server issue, or an Internet connection problem, I would launch Safari -- and the errant pages would load correctly.
I found that for best stability, I needed to quit and relaunch Opera every day. If not, it would start to behave erratically -- clicking in an Opera window, for example, wouldn't select the application, but clicking the window title bar would. At least Opera remembers your browser state and automatically reopens all of the Web pages you last visited on relaunch. That bought me back a little time each day since I often have 20 or so tabs open at any time.
No Help Here
Processor usage was typically somewhere between 10 and 15 percent, with occasional spikes up to around 80 percent. The spikes would usually last for a minute or two and then subside.
Opera's built-in help wasn't all that helpful, either. It took me a while to figure out how to get to my bookmarks, and I knew I was in trouble when Mac-specific instructions reference the ALT key. Eventually I gave up on Opera's help because so many of the entries were vague or included instructions that were obviously for Windows users even though they referenced the Mac.
The Verdict: Using a Web browser shouldn't be a battle. Working with Opera, however, felt like a chore, even for the simplest of tasks. Between the slow performance, stability issues, redraw problems and cumbersome interface, my week with Opera felt more like a penance than an adventure.
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http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS8517467708.html
"Still, which would you rather have? A safe system that won't work with some Websites, or a compromised system? I know which way I'd go. I use Firefox."
"Is Firefox perfect? Completely secure? Heck no! Death and taxes are the only things you can really be sure of." |
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Maybe someone should introduce this guy to Opera. He may just drop Firefox like a rock too. I like what he has to say about IE though. He says a lot of what I've been saying for a very long time:
OK, how many times must Internet Explorer be ripped open like a hot 16-year old in a summer slasher movie before people finally get it: IE is not safe. Period. End of Statement.
I don't care if you only run it around the Web on Sundays and to the nicest sites. If you run IE, you're just asking to me slammed by worms, bots, adware, and every other kind of malware on the planet. No, it doesn't matter that you're using XP SP2 and you've downloaded all the patches. The only version that appears to be immune is IE7 beta-2.
Take the IE code execution hole discovered by Secunia Research a few days ago. Microsoft admits that it's there. That's big of them. Malicious hackers have already been using the hole via hijacked Web servers over the weekend to launch attacks.
What I want to know is why any of you are still using Internet Explorer? I mean how many attacks does it take?
Here's the simple truth: Even if you don't believe in Linux, open-source, and all that jazz, no one who knows anything about computer security can believe that IE has been, is now, or is likely to be secure anytime soon.
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Despite a few nice tricks here and there, the Opera Web browser is an overall exercise in pain. Pages are often rendered incorrectly, or not at all.
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Maybe I'm smarter than this guy. I haven't encountered any of the problems that he's mentioned. Maybe he could use some technical assistance. Send him an email and tell him that I would be happy to help him with his Opera setup...
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http://www.microsuck.com/content/whatsbad.shtml
"Predatory Practices
Microsoft tends to kill off competition by drawing on resources supplied by its OS monopoly to completely out-spend its competitors, by using its customers' dependence upon existing products to force new products upon them, or by buying its competitors outright. Probably the most publicized (but definitely not the first) example of Microsoft's leveraging of their monopoly power to take over new markets is their dealing with Netscape. Microsoft spent millions of dollars creating a competitor to Netscape's web browser and then gave away the browser for free in an attempt to drive Netscape out of business. Not only did Microsoft give its browser away for free but it also spent money on promotions so that people who switched to their browser would get other things for free -- Microsoft was essentially paying people to use their web browser. Microsoft would not have been able to do this if it did not have a monopoly on the OS market and Netscape had no possible business defense on this because you can't make money when you have to pay people to use your products.
To make matters worse for Netscape, Microsoft used their influence with full force to prevent OEMs (an OEM is a computer maker such as Gateway or Dell) from putting Netscape on any of the computers they shipped. Microsoft told OEMs that they could not uninstall Internet Explorer and install Netscape's Navigator even when customers asked specifically for Netscape or they would lose their Windows licenses. ......"
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This was quoted from microcuck.com, so they are biased, non the less they are right and I hate ms as does anyone who knows whats going on. The bottom line is are you willing to sacrifice by not using ie. I would have to say I don't spend much time on the web so I like to keep it simple and I want everything to work, so I use ie.
The thing is, ms needs to be defended from, they need to be sued and held accountable, but thats another story. This story is about what browsers work best. I have little patients for sub quality so I can't use anything else until they can make a simple browser that works fully and no spyware installed. Its like theres a crack in the sidewalk, so I will walk through the mud. Doesn't make sence. Its not MS, its the fact that there is nothing else worth using for me. Opera is a real pain and not enjoyable, firefox won't display pages as they are, not always, and what good is that?
Yes ms needs to be held accountable and we need some good competion, thats the american way, to compete in a free market, not to give special priviliges because we hate so and so company. Its who ever gives the best deal wins. If ms cheats, they should and probably will pay sooner or later as they have in the past. |
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I can help this guy too. It seems like he failed to read the other article that you posted about security flaws. It might not hurt him to try not to be so lazy. He could end up spending a lot of time trying to figure out how a virus/trojan got in and wiped out all of his most important data, including his (lol) "review"...
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